John Henry Savage was born in Nottingham, on 4 Feb 1880 to Henry & Louisa Savage (nee Selby).
John Henry was the oldest of four known children of Henry & Louisa.
Alfred Savage, born in 1883.
Arthur Savage, born in 1889.
Albert Edward Savage, born in 1901.
John Henry was involved in a big family row around 1895.
He was a fence for some of Henry Savage’s (1825) more minor shady dealings. (Elizabeth Moore’s father was the one that was likely a fence for Henry’s shady dealings) It seems that money was the cause of the row. They were Framework Knitters (FWK’s) and not very well paid, usually paid by piecework. The Moore family (whom Henry would marry into) moved from a small house on Allport St in Nottingham, to Julian Road in West Bridgford. The area was beyond their means, and it was wondered where the money had come from. John Henry would eventually end up living with his Scott relatives (Emma Scott’s family).
John Henry joined 1st Derbyshires Regiment in the early 1900’s, then he immigrated to Canada on 17 Dec 1909, sailing from Liverpool to Nova Scotia. He gave his previous address as Vancouver BC and went to Canada as a returning Canadian, likely to avoid paperwork. Elizabeth Moore would follow in May of 1911, they had their first daughter, Grace on 24 Jun 1912 and married in Winnipeg on 2 Jul 1912.
On 23 Sept 1914, John Henry Savage enlists in the Canadian Expeditionary Force to serve in World War 1.
It seems that he got into a little trouble while in the service, mostly for drinking.
The best I can read from his military records is that he went on Furlough 9 May 1918 back to Canada, and never returns to the front.
My Grandad was born on June 1919 and in May of 1920, John Henry puts his wife and 3 children on a ship back to England, and told he never wants to see them again (as the story goes).
From here, he vanishes for 20 years. I can find no record of him anywhere, but then he shows up in Los Angeles, living in the Midnight Mission on Skid Row. Two years later, he’s living in an apartment, or some other home, on Skid Row when he submits his Draft Card for World War 2.
I have not found naturalization paperwork, although he states he’s a US Citizen now. Due to his military desertion, likely would not have been able to file for citizenship, although I’m not sure.
John Henry Savage died on 13 Oct 1957 in Seattle, Washington. His death certificate states he’d lived in Seattle for 14 years, putting that the year after his WW2 Draft Registration.
He died at the Pederson Nursing Home on 414 Tenth Avenue.
His remains went unclaimed for 6 1/2 years. His cremains were buried in an unmarked community grave at the Everegreen-Washelli Memorial Park on 7 Apr 1964.
I’ve been talking to my great aunt
Connie who is Elizabeth’s niece. She is adamant that her grandfather William T Moore was given the house on Julian Road
West Bridgford by Arthur
Allcock, his wife’s brother. This was in return for my great grandmother Maria Moore who at that time went to live with
Arthur and his wife and was thereafter treated as a daughter.
Arthur had inherited money from his own
Aunt who had brought him up and he had a thriving business in
Arnold as well as owning a lot of properties.
given to him by
Arthur Alcock who was his wife’s brother
I have recently found out from my 93 year old aunt, who is Elizabeth’s niece, that the house on Julian Road was more than likely paid for by Elizabeth”s relatively wealthy uncle, Arthur Alcock. It was at this time that my grandmother, Maria Moore, went to live with Arthur and his wife. She was subsequently brought up by them.
Hi Helen & Maureen,
Sorry it took so long to see these. I have a new job, and it has not afforded me as much time to work on my tree.
So according to Elizabeth Moore’s granddaughter, she said her grandmother was aware of her fathers (William T Moore) “Dodgy Dealings”. Apparently it was thought to be “likely” to have been a fence for the older Henry Savage (b.1825), but apparently was very careful and nothing was ever mentioned/said… whatever had happened or was going on, there were certainly family grudges. My Father and Grandfather lived with William T Moore Jr in Canada briefly… and he did not like the Savage side of the family… and only tolerated them it seems for his sister Elizabeth.
All seems very strange. Appears there were definitely arguments/issues around money and where it came from. Seems cut and dry from your comments/findings, but from the stories coming down through Elizabeth’s side, seems that maybe those cards were held closer to them and certain info not shared… possibly for good reasons considering the Savage side being a bunch of crooks back then. Not sure how much John Henry was involved in it all, but he seemed to have plenty of issues as time went on… weather that was a result of family, or the war, I’m not sure. We never knew he was on the front or that he deserted, we only knew that he abandoned his family and put them on a ship back to England. So even that story was missing details for 100 years.
Oddly enough, Henry Savage (1825) had been involved in a warehouse burglary in 1863 in Radford, belonging to that of a John Allcock. I don’t know if this is Mary’s father or not, but a heck of a coincidence.